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Have you guys ever got high with people on a site like chatroulette?

AM: Not really. You know, I did get high with one person who was really really nice. That was on cam. That was in real-time, just like that. You can't see it, but you can't see anything on chat, but it's there. And that was in real time.

CP: Right. Like a few inches.

AM: Right. So, I mean, it's not a huge screen, but it's pretty good. I didn't do anything. I'm not good at games. I barely know any of the people that I play games with. I mean, I know some of the characters. But nothing substantial.

CP: So you don't plan out your evolutions?

AM: I do not plan out my evolutions. There's no plan B. You evolve, and then -- if you plan ahead -- you anticipate what the evolution points are going to be, and you exploit those, and then there's no point in planning anything ahead. There's no point in planning anything ahead. I am absolutely -- as a person who has been on the receiving end of this kind of thing -- totally shocked that anybody would want to take something so innocent as a picture and sell it. I mean, it's so unbelievably disgusting. I mean, it's just so incredibly -- I just can't -- I just can't -- I have to think, like, how would they do that? How could they -- How could you think that through? I mean, you could imagine people sitting in their bedrooms, typing away, and getting what they wanted out of a picture. I mean, it's just inconceivable to me. I mean, there's no way you could imagine. There's no way you could imagine. And the thing is, as distressing as all this is, the more people you PULL the more they ENJOY the picture. And so they PULL. And so it just keeps on going for people. And eventually it -- it goes viral. And then all their friends and family and colleagues and co-workers think the same way and the same companies think the same way. And it's a really, really weird system.

CP: So you're of two minds about this. You're like, if somebody -- if somebody DUMB picture gets out, it hurts them a lot. You don't want to see them getting -- I mean, DUMB picture gets out, it hurts them a LOT. But is it worth it? Because you wouldn't want your kid seeing that picture every day.

AM: I would. I would. I mean, it's worth noting, though, that even though the picture might hurt them, it's also worth considering that this is actually their life. This is what they see every day. Think about where they end up. Most people end up in business, but not all. But